Speak Out! - Missing or killed: How politicians and media use language to distort the truth

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Looks like they have their first scapegoat being Hotpoint. I will also say with such a disaster it would have been a welcomed gesture to see some of the local retailers provide new clothes and shoes and dressing gowns etc for the survivors instead of the community having to donate theirs. Nothing comes between these people and their profits. They are more likely to base things on percentages and cut corners on the likelihood a disaster like this is not going to happen.

Fri 23 June 2017, 1:00 pm

It's about government statistics so if calling in the army is less cost effective than peoples lives people will perish. What we see now government face saving knowing ultimately whatever it costs to do this the tax payer will foot the bill.. Anyone who has ever been in a high rise beyond floor five human nature dictates the first question asked is to escape in a fire. Do not underestimate how deep this sellout goes. £10m refurb and not a single fire extinguisher.

Fri 23 June 2017, 8:34 am

I bet the council would love to house the people elsewhere and sell the tower block to developers to build luxury flats and bring in more upmarket businesses and gentrify the area even more. Because as they see it, immigrants and the working-classes don't bring value to their area.

Thu 22 June 2017, 11:08 pm

What you had was the council trying to save money in not having fireproof cladding and no sprinkler system and people payed with their lives. The response of the council and the government was pathetic to say the least. But then again it was only working-class folk, not wealthy middle-class people. The council leader has resigned, good riddance. The PM hasn't visited the people who live there, she doesn't seem to be a person you can warm too.

Thu 22 June 2017, 11:06 pm

New buildings like the sky scrapers in Dubai have fire systems designed accordingly. I believe new buildings in the U.K. use sprinklers so the problem with Grenfell is trying to make the old at least look new. Word is the rich in the borough complained the building is an eyesore so cladding was used to make it look pretty. I can only hope it looks pretty enough for them now!

Thu 22 June 2017, 11:28 am

Something like a fire-copter that can hover high up and send directed jets of water without becoming unstable would be needed. I don't think anything on the ground could generate the pressure required to pump the water that high. Truth is for all the technology out there I don't believe a fire of this form is accounted for. Buildings are designed for predictable fire patterns. It seems the cladding broke these rules.

Thu 22 June 2017, 11:12 am

Watching the fire take set was surreal. I could feel the helplessness and found myself thinking any second now Superman will fly in carrying a frozen layer of a lake and out the fire with it like in Superman III. Maybe it's age but I really felt the people's pain. Can you imagine a parent dropping their children out of a window trying to save them. My eyes fill up every time. Just looking at that post apocalyptic building does me in. I can't imagine anything being compensation enough.

Wed 21 June 2017, 10:30 pm

Different countries have different laws so possibly Britain can only report the dead in Portugal if Portugal declares it so first. Water bombing a specific entity is different to a forest fire with a large target area and do not rule out potential lives lost directly due to hosing down of a building populated by the humans they're trying to save. I'd go as far as saying water bombing would cause more damage especially to the surrounding area and may even cause the building to collapse.

Wed 21 June 2017, 10:22 pm

Assume everyone is covering their ass, including fridge manufacturers anticipating which model caught fire. With all the ignored warnings and. concerns this should definitely be a case of corporate manslaughter. Children were cooked alive. I can only hope the smoke knocked them out first.

Wed 21 June 2017, 10:10 pm

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